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2024-12-07 02:43:09

Pauline von Hellermann

pvonhellermannn@mastodon.green

So, does anyone on here still believe in capitalism?

#Capitalism

Yes

88 Votes | 11%

690 Votes | 89%

778 Votes in total
Poll has ended

2024-12-07 02:51:03

Jonathan Schofield

urlyman@mastodon.social

@pvonhellermannn I believe it will kill more of us quicker than most other options

2024-12-07 03:02:56

Passenger

passenger@kolektiva.social

@pvonhellermannn

I believe in it like I believe in the third law of thermodynamics: I would rather that it were not the case, but I'm not going to deny that it exists.

(The word "believe in" often gets conflated to mean both "believe in the existence of" and "are a fan of", which are very different meanings.)

2024-12-07 03:41:53

Art - US Expat in Spain

azphilosopher@mastodonapp.uk

@pvonhellermannn that's a stupid question sorry. If you are asking whether a pure capitalistic system is good, the answer is no. If you are asking if highly regulated capitalism balanced with socialism is good then the answer is a resounding yes.

2024-12-07 03:44:10

Máňa Zalabák

mana_z@mastodon.social

@pvonhellermannn I do. In a brutally regulated and strictly monitored form far from what is here now, but still...

2024-12-07 03:46:43

A Tattered Scrapbook

Tattered@mastodon.social

@pvonhellermannn I like it. “Believe in”. Like the tooth fairy…

2024-12-07 03:50:58

打雨伞的人

rss@toot.community

It's crazy how people lost faith in the establishments.

2024-12-07 04:23:24

MarjorieR

marjolica@social.linux.pizza

@pvonhellermannn annoyingly a rhetorical question.
But yes I have seen capitalist apologists here on Mastodon, in replies to other people posts rather than directly in my timeline.

And the there is the question of what we mean by capitalism and whether it can be tamed, but short of worldwide revolution I can't see how we can all survive how its profit driven promotion of growth and it's suborning of the democratic process bringing about economic and environmental collapse.

2024-12-07 04:51:18

copacetic

copacetic@rollenspiel.social

@pvonhellermannn I voted yes because I believe at the other end of the spectrum is central planning and that would be worse.

2024-12-07 05:01:38

DeterioratedStucco

SoftwareTheron@mas.to

@pvonhellermannn
Given the position we're in climate-wise, I don't think there's much option. It's very hard to say "you need to do things in a new way" *and* change the incentive structure simultaneously.
I would like to be wrong.

2024-12-07 05:09:21

Gary Parker :party_porg:

WiteWulf@cyberplace.social

@pvonhellermannn yes, of course I believe in it. I’m not some sort of flat-earther, denying its existence 😀

2024-12-07 05:10:32

gavinisdie :troll:

gavinisdie@masto.ai

@pvonhellermannn I believe in a heavily regulated capitalist system, one where monopolies cannot form and the consumer and worker are not treated like shit

2024-12-07 05:12:51

Ben Aveling

BenAveling@mastodon.au

@pvonhellermannn And your alternative is?

2024-12-07 06:16:53

Mike Griese

zadjii@mastodon.social

@pvonhellermannn capitalism should be like guns - **well regulated**

2024-12-07 06:28:18

Boab

boab@mastodon.gamedev.place

@pvonhellermannn ask it in a non binary way, and I could perhaps answer

2024-12-07 06:47:25

Lien Rag

lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.net

@pvonhellermannn

I believe that capitalism exists, yes.

2024-12-07 07:17:13

Paul (Tex) Hewson

texhewson@datasci.social

@pvonhellermannn the problem is it's never been tried properly. I'm sure it's a good idea in theory, but we've only ever seen colonialism, neo-liberalism, fascism we've never actually seen capitalism tried properly. (Just to be clear, I'm being silly)

2024-12-07 08:04:35

Incredibish

incredibish@mastodon.green

@pvonhellermannn

Do I believe in capitalism? Yes, like gravity and the tooth fairy it exists. Unlike the tooth fairy it doesn't wait for profit and if capitalism was the tooth fairy we'd all be gummy and wouldn't even have a sixpence. Do I support capitalism...? Oh my no.

2024-12-07 08:29:49

aadmaa

aadmaa@vmst.io

@pvonhellermannn It sure as hell does not work for healthcare.

I'm watching a fight between one of the largest insurers (my insurer in fact) and Ohio State - one of the most important providers (my provider in fact). Why on God's green earth would we set them up to play a game of chicken with everyone's care, as our rate-setting mechanism?

It's beyond absurd. The public already pays for more than half of the provider's work (especially given that OSU James is a cost-plus cancer care center), and OSU is a public institution. We could cap provider gross charges and set minimum reimbursements at the very least. But ... capitalism.

2024-12-07 08:32:04

Piousunyn

Piousunyn@universeodon.com

@pvonhellermannn I believe, even know capitalism exits.

2024-12-07 08:35:44

pokpok

pokpok@chaos.social

@pvonhellermannn yes, but ... ☺️

2024-12-07 08:38:59

Christoffer S.

nopatience@swecyb.com

@pvonhellermannn
I think capitalism is not inherently bad, unregulated capitalism is. When wealth gets concentrated to a very few at the expense of the masses.

But capitalism is the best we have. But it needs to evolve. Social democracies in Europe are pretty decent in providing a good balance.

I believe in capitalism, but regulated so as to not... Go bananas.

2024-12-07 08:39:52

StanceOfMind

ronaldtootall@tech.lgbt

@pvonhellermannn In comparison to what? Different approaches haven’t worked that well, look at Russia and China. I think it’s the form of capitalism that needs revising. From the current alternatives, it seems like what the EU has with Social Democracy might be a better way. Unfortunately, it also is being challenged/corrupted by the same forces that are affecting more pure capitalist societies.

2024-12-07 08:59:01

js@mastodon.nl

@pvonhellermannn Why yes, I believe there to be at least one person on here who does and I would be VERY surprised to be proven wrong.

2024-12-07 08:59:18

Jonathan Schofield

urlyman@mastodon.social

@pvonhellermannn wondering how this poll would have gone on BlueSky or, yikes, X 😯

2024-12-07 09:03:22

Denis Buckley

wellingtonrock@mastodon.social

@pvonhellermannn
Not unregulated, red in tooth and claw, savage Capitalism, but a calmer, perhaps, 'neutered', form which can co-exist with a strong, well funded Public sector, running the communal ties - infrastructure, health, etc.

2024-12-07 09:03:29

Frank Casa

frank@frank.casa

When in the hands of freelancers and small businesses and cooperatives, yes. People should be able to sell their products and services directly and not have to work for a giant corporation.

But I don't believe in crony capitalism, where the government and business collude against the people, which is what we have now. And I don't believe in corporatism, where the corporations have most or all the power.

2024-12-07 09:03:37

Coach Pāṇini ®

paninid@mastodon.world

@pvonhellermannn

I mean, it explains everything, so yeah?

The alternative is to not believe reality.

2024-12-07 09:07:29

Lee

tleekeene@mastodon.social

@pvonhellermannn Give me a benevolent dictator

2024-12-07 09:25:50

Dietmar

DO1HMN@mastodon.radio

@pvonhellermannn Capitalism can solve some optimisation problems very well. But if you aim for a fair world it is definitely the wrong tool.

2024-12-07 09:37:19

Jimmy

sjcooke66@mastodon.social

@pvonhellermannn I believe in it the same way Xtian fundamentalists believe in Hell!

2024-12-07 09:41:14

malte

malte@radikal.social

@pvonhellermannn I don't believe in capitalism in the same way that I don't believe in for example Pietistic Lutheranism. Capitalism is a religion, at the moment still relatively hegemonic. I know it exists. I am influenced by its culture (like I'm influenced by Pietism, growing up in a culture where that tendency has flourished). I have to follow the religious rituals, like paying "money" at the "store" when getting food or going to "work" to earn a "living". Do I believe in it? No.

2024-12-07 09:59:50

Gardiner Bryant

gardiner_bryant@mastodon.online

@pvonhellermannn I believe in capitalism but the problem is that we no longer live in a capitalist society. We live in a techno-aristocratic kleptocracy.

2024-12-07 10:00:37

Richard Michael Blaber

rmblaber1956@mastodon.social

@pvonhellermannn Capitalism, which relies on never-ending economic & population growth, is doomed. It also depends on ever-expanding credit. The only question is which comes first - its financial collapse or its ecological collapse. Both will have a lot of casualties, I'm afraid.

2024-12-07 10:39:20

notsoloud

notsoloud@expressional.social

@pvonhellermannn
What are the alternatives? Do they suck less?

2024-12-07 11:11:23

tabernac

tabernac@c.im

@pvonhellermannn

Never did.

Greed and hubris are destroying the world.

2024-12-07 11:18:17

Dana das Grau 🧙🏻🧝‍♂️

DanadasGrau@mastodon.social

@pvonhellermannn capitalism is a human economic system that does exist; so yes I do believe in it.

2024-12-07 13:05:34

Hassmeister

hassmeister@mas.to

@pvonhellermannn to the 11%: every child is smarter.

2024-12-07 13:27:03

Tim Stickland

sticklandtim@mastodon.green

@pvonhellermannn
'still believe' implies I believed in it in the first place.
It'll be a NO for me.